Absolutely don’t touch it. Even the Kossacks are voting to leave it alone. Even if it were true, it would be as much to her credit as anything, and bringing it out would be horribly cruel to the daughter and the infant. And given the statistics about Down Syndrome and age, how likely is it to be true anyway?
Yuck yuck yuck.
Hit her on bringing the cameras when she visited the wounded warriors. That’s fair game, and that will hurt with her base.
Ryan Donmoyer, Government Legislation reporter at “Bloomberg”:
Back to the substance at hand, this is one hell of a whacky conspiracy theory and I too agree it’s probably best left alone. I do wonder, however, whether at least one authoritative piece ought to be done to try to put the issue to rest — not as a hit job on Palin so much as to counter something that has already rapidly and viciously spread on the Internet and will only go more viral. As long as
it’s in the rumor stage it rivals the disinformation disseminated about Obama — and neither is useful for the public discourse.
And I do think if this were true, it may creep some people out who thought the days of sending your knockedup teenager away to live with the outofstateaunt ended with Roe v. Wade.
Ezra Klein from the “Washington Post”, who originally started the “Journo-List” group, weighed in as well:
Seriously, folks? Best case scenario, what’s your outcome here: Her daughter, hounded by the tabloids, breaks down that it was her child, and her mother heroically took on the burden and welcomed the disabled boy as one of her own? Palin’s relationship with her children — however they may have come to her — strikes me as pretty far out of bounds. By all accounts she’s a wonderful mother, and devoted to her fifth son. Leave this be.
Lindsay Beyerstein, investigative journalist, sensed a trap:
In the postRathergate era, journalists should be on their guard for Republican dirty tricks.
If this story gains traction, regardless of its truth or falsity, the Republicans will take steps to neutralize the meme.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the McCain campaign were to leak doctored evidence for the sole purpose of discrediting it and destroying the journalist who published it. That’s probably what the Killian memos were.
We should also be on guard for “evidence” falling into the lap of an unknown and easily discredited figure. That’s probably what Rove did to neutralize the allegations of cocaine use by George W. Bush, lo these many years ago.
If apparently wellsubstantiated allegations emerge, we should be alert for the story behind the story, so to speak.
Maggie Mahar, guest contributor at “Politico”:
Water breaking doesn’t mean you’re about to deliver.
You can go a couple of days after your water breaks before going into labor.–though at some point, they’ll induce the labor because they’re worried about infection.
Of course an airline would let her on the plane. The airline would have no way of knowing–unless she told them.
As a woman who has had 4 children, she wouldn’t be in a panic, and would have some sense of how close she was to going into labor.
As for raising her daughter’s child (if it was her daughter’s child) this is, as someone else said, a timehonored solution to teen pregnancy when the teen isn’t ready to be a mother and the family as a whole doesn’t want to give up the baby. (This doesn’t mean they’re antiabortion; they just can’t bear the idea of losing or giving up “their” grandhild,/child. Everyone feels better keeping hte baby and at the same time the teen can go on with her life.
There is nothing sordid about this unless the teen’s father is the father of the baby . . Otherwise, it’s an understandable solution, –but rather complicated to explain to a 4yearold.
Eventually you explain it, and if done in a guiltfree fashion, presumably it’s no more traumatic than finding out you’re adopted. Except you don’t have to hunt for your mother or wonder what she’s like.
Adam Serwer from “The American Prospect”:
I gotta say, if this is much ado about nothing, the McCain campaign may be very happy to air these rumors in public. It gives them their first big opportunity to say that she’s being attacked unfairly, and because Democrats are sexist.
Mark Kleiman then expressed a notion which apparently became the”consensus”:
I see no upside for our side here. There’s plenty of other stuff to work on that won’t get her any sympathy at all and won’t risk damage to her innocent children/grandchild.
This is your liberal media, ladies and gentlemen: totally partisan, interested in the truth only if it advances their agenda, and devoid of any balls whatsoever. And people wonder how this farce of a candidate now controls one major political party and could well be our next president. One reason is that we do not have a functioning adversarial media uncorrupted by partisan loyalty and tactics.
That was in July 2010, and now, nearly one year later, it’s payback time! Watch out, Andrew Sullivan!
“PROFESSOR: Sarah Palin Probably Staged A Gigantic Hoax About Being Trig’s Mother” screamed the headline of the story at the centrist “Business Insider” which received huge attention – and more than 375,000 views so far. Where was the answer of the liberal media? Did they acknowledge that they were mistaken?
There a ton of holes in your theory. One of them involves a giant conspiracy of a lot of people, including people like Levi Johnston and the people I spoke to. It’s implausible.
I’ve seen the ‘proof’. Much of it – like her flight from Texas – doesn’t mean anything. First off, I don’t her behavior weird. My wife gave birth to two kids, unassisted – no doctor or midwife. Not everyone views the birthing process the same way.
More importantly – why rush home? Palin wasn’t really pregant, right? No need to rush.
And for that matter, why do such a shitty job of faking it? Appearing without her fat suit in all those pictures.
It doesn’t pass any sniff test to me and I talked to people.
I was right about John Edwards. I researched to confirm my hunches.
Through this email exchange in October 2009 I got an insight into how narrow-minded Huffington Post was in the question regarding Trig’s birth. I was therefore not surprised at all when regular HuffPost-blogger Geoffrey Dunn, whose highly anticipated investigative book about Sarah Palin will appear on May 10, was recently branded a “conspiracy theorist” by Huffington Post. The reason for this harsh treatment was a perfectly reasonable and factual article by Geoffrey Dunn which Huffington Post rejected, and instead was then published by “Business Insider.”
It was more or less a practical joke, warmed over with academic pretensions. The fact is that Trig Trutherism, like Birtherism, and also classic 9/11 Trutherism, are different offshoots of the same conspiratorial tradition, where you begin with a zany premise and work backwards, selecting “evidence” that can be shoehorned into your premise, while omitting or ignoring the details that shoot it down. Pretty soon, you’re attempting to draw spectral meaning from photographs you didn’t take and pondering the significance of the pilot episodes of “X-Files” spin-offs.
How long should anyone tolerate this astral projection? Let it cease forever, with the publication of Justin Elliott and Steve Kornacki’s multipart takedown of the entire mythos — which shows great restraint in that it’s not all titled, “Where’s Your Messiah Now, Andrew Sullivan?”
The responsibility to put the controversy to rest lies with elites.
Yes, the “elites”! The “elites” have decided, and if you don’t choose to believe it, well, then go and play somewhere else, but not with the “elites!”
In light of the recent attention this subject has received and the considerable passion it has stirred, Salon embarked last week on an investigation of the circumstances surrounding Trig’s birth. The exhaustive review of available evidence that we conducted, along with new interviews with multiple eyewitnesses who interacted with a pregnant Sarah Palin up-close in early 2008 — most of whom had never spoken publicly about the matter before — has produced one clear conclusion: Sarah Palin is, indeed, Trig’s mother and there is no reason to suspect any kind of a coverup.
Then follows immediately his first “crown witness” – believe it or not, there was actually somebody who saw Sarah Palin’s pregnant belly, according to Justin Elliott:
We’ve learned, for instance, that an Associated Press reporter in Alaska who was covering Palin during her pregnancy in early 2008 (before she became a national figure) thoroughly investigated rumors that the pregnancy was a hoax. The reporter directly questioned Palin about the matter in a private meeting in her Juneau office before she gave birth. Gov. Palin responded by voluntarily lifting her outer layer of clothing, offering a clear look at her round belly. The reporter quickly concluded that there was no truth to the rumors and never wrote about them.
Who is this “crown witness?” A few paragraphs later, Justin Elliott explains:
Steve Quinn, who is now a freelancer, was the Alaska-based Associated Press journalist who wrote the wire story reporting that Palin was pregnant in early March 2008. He told us that rumors were circulating that Palin was not truly pregnant even back then — before she gave birth and well before she was tapped to be John McCain’s running mate. So, like any good reporter, Quinn looked into it — twice — and came away with solid reasons to believe there was no hoax.
According to Quinn, in the days immediately after Palin announced her pregnancy that March, he was in the governor’s office and asked her directly about the rumors. Palin smiled and, Quinn says, lifted an outer layer of clothing to show that she was indeed pregnant. “She was able to show a thin layer of clothing against her stomach that revealed an enlarged abdomen area,” he says.
Quinn added that he heard from female legislators and friends of the governor that they suspected, based on physical changes, that Palin was pregnant well before she announced the news.
An enlarged abdomen area was revealed! In early March 2008! That is incredible. We should probably all be very ashamed now, we evil “Trig Truthers.” How could we be so mean and claim that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy?
It appears that one of the more confidential acts in the state capitol is having a cup of coffee.
It’s hard to understand why when the governor’s assistant Ivy Frye and Associated Press reporter Steve Quinn get together for a cup of coffee and then communicate via the state email system, why that would rise to the level of a state secret.
What kind of secret brew are they drinking?
We are talking about these emails, which were carefully redacted by the State of Alaska.
He’s been a good supporter of the governor and will write a story very beneficial to our cause, I believe. He’ll cover the entire timeline from (Ruedrich‘s) APOC fines, the last attempt to remove him, his ties to big oil and the former administration, his badmouthing of the governor to the RNC…not supporting her campaign, etc. Off the record he told me it would be better to hear from us before he here’s (sic) from the party. It will appear we’re being pro -active instead of reactionary. His story would come out at an appropriate time as you sent the fliers out today.
He’ll be published before rr and his cohorts have time to respond.
His dating Ivy was, as Sarah indicated in a few catty moments, only a convenient means to a favorable end.
So, Justin Elliott, this is your main “crown witness?”
Some days after the big announcement, I requested an interview with Palin in her office. Part of the reason for my visit that day was to ask her about talk around town that perhaps she wasn’t the only member of the family expecting a baby, that perhaps her daughter, Bristol, was as well.
To ask the question, I insisted that everyone in the room clear out, leaving just me and the governor in private. I didn’t want members of her staff listening in, and I didn’t want to embarrass the governor.
Palin honored my request. I asked her not to be mad at me for what I was about to ask, and her eyes seemed to twinkle with anticipation. No, she said, just come out with it.
As I recall, she just dismissed it as more baseless gossip about her kids.
Then she told me that some were even suggesting that she was pretending to have a baby as a way to cover for her daughter. She reckoned that notion came from a storyline on “Desperate Housewives.”
This was the first I’d ever heard of what has now become, as we know, a national obsession for some Palin watchers.
Anyway, Palin said it was all ridiculous. Then she backed her chair away from her desk to show me her (covered) baby bump, assuring me that, yes, she was pregnant.
For an instant, I thought of asking her to let me see or feel her belly but chickened out (something I now regret, given how this thing has taken off so).
After Trig’s birth, Palin seemed always to have the baby with her, carrying him in a shoulder sling. He seemed really small to me.
Another reporter who claims to have seen “the (covered) baby bump!” Do we have to be ashamed NOW?
The governor, who recently turned 44, told a handful of reporters as she was leaving work to expect a new member of the first family, then headed to a reception at the Baranof Hotel to feast on king crab.
Palin said she’s already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May.
That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who’s always been trim, simply doesn’t look pregnant.
Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.
She “simply doesn’t look pregnant” – but Wesley Loy now writes in “Salon”:
The news was so stunning because, as I wrote in the next day’s edition of my paper, the Anchorage Daily News, she simply didn’t look pregnant. Certainly not seven months along.
In hindsight, I realized I had missed some clues.
Yes, he missed some clues. Case closed, I guess?
I have emailed Loy several times over the last three years — most recently a month or so ago — and he has not responded.
However, that was not all that Prof. Scharlott told us today.
From: Gregg Erickson
Subject: Re: Palin pregnancy
Date: September 10, 2008 5:16:07 AM EDT
To: Brad Scharlott
Anchorage Daily News reporter Wesley Loy investigated the idea that Trig is not Sarah Palin’s baby. I’ve worked with (and against Loy) for years. He’s an astute, indefatigable and ruthless reporter.
During this summer’s special legislative session Loy, I, and my wife occupied three adjoining offices near the Capitol We frequently discussed stories we were reporting for Judy’s newsletter, my columns, and the stories he was was
working. We especially enjoyed Wesley’s accounts of his pursuit the “Grandma Governor fakes birth” story.
As far as I know nothing was ever published on “Grandma,” but he might have posted something on ADN’s “Alaska Politics” blog or elsewhere that I didn’t see.
I suggest you address your questions to him at
My perspective and what I’ve seen might give you some insight as to why this is such a big issue, since you don’t think it’s important.
Justin Elliott responded quickly to Kim Chatman – his complete reply:
dont have time to talk on phone i’m afraid. feel free to outline in an email
Kim Chatman immediately replied with a detailed email, as requested, explaining for example that she had seen Sarah Palin in person after Palin had announced her pregnancy, and that Palin did not look pregnant at all – excerpt:
First of all I voted for Sarah Palin to be our Governor without doing any research whatsoever, I was impressed with everything she said and she looked nice. After she announced her pregnancy my children and I were in Fairbanks and we saw her, I mentioned to my daughter that she didn’t look pregnant at all. Didn’t think much about it again until ADN announced that she had her baby, the baby had Downs. Then there was the Texas water broke flew to Anchorage drove past a major hospital to Wasilla delivered a premature Downs baby in a hospital that is not equipped to provide NICU care and then she went to work three days later. Are you kidding me. I have seven children, one died from complications at birth as a mother with a high risk pregnancy you would never take a chance like that. So alarm bells went off.
Justin Elliott didn’t respond to Kim Chatman again. It does seem that he has better things to do than to talk to witnesses who contradict his findings.
There is more, of course. Justin Elliott cites of course the atrocious “hit piece” by Julia O’Malley in the Anchorage Daily News in which she plays fast and loose with the facts. In this article, the ADN even published the deliberate lie that Prof. Scharlott used “photoshopped pictures” in his research paper – a claim which we debunked with extensive documentary evidence.
We also spoke to Erika Bolstad, a veteran McClatchy reporter who covers Washington for the Anchorage Daily News. In early 2008, Bolstad began working on a story about the vice-presidential buzz surrounding Palin. When Palin traveled to Washington for a meeting of the National Governors Association, held the weekend of Feb. 23-25, Bolstad caught up with Palin for an in-person interview. This was about a week before the pregnancy was announced, and about seven weeks before Palin gave birth to Trig. Bolstad told us that she distinctly remembers thinking that the governor looked pregnant.
“When I interviewed her and heard the news a few days later that she was pregnant, there was no doubt in my mind that it was true,” she said. “I saw her. She looked pregnant.”
Let’s make the fact-check.
Watch for yourself how the supposedly highly pregnant Sarah, who hadn’t announced her pregnancy at this point and would officially give birth to a six-pound baby just about 2 months later, masters the icy conditions and at the same time chats to the reporters:
Sarah Palin – Hiking in Juneau – late February…
Well, the fact-check didn’t reveal the “pregnant Sarah”, I am afraid to say, but just exactly the opposite.
Finally, there is Frank Bailey, a disgruntled former Palin aide who has a book coming out about his experiences at Palin’s side. In it, he reveals that “he visited Sarah Palin at the hospital just hours after Trig was born and spotted Bristol sitting in the waiting room,” according to a description of his book by a Daily Beast reporter who obtained an early copy.
For the moment, all I’ll say is that during my research for The Rogue, I spoke to an extremely knowledgeable source who had never before been willing to discuss the question of Trig’s birth. But my lips are sealed until September.
It surely will be a sweaty summer for the “liberal media elite!”
“Babygate” has been covered in much more detail in previous and later posts. Far more pictures and other documentation exists. You can find all this information here:
Read the old post at Palingates about the faked pregnancy with the pictures still intact HERE.We break the “Spiral of Silence” – Read the details about the “biggest hoax in American political history!”